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September 29, 2005

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David Gammel

This is so true, Jamie. I do believe that terminating a disruptive person can be a significant part of changing the system if you follow-through in other areas in a philosophically consistent way.

All of this reminds me of one of my favorite quotes: "Effective Executives are not a product that we can make, but an emergent property of correctly functioning organisations.” - Earl Mardle.

Ben Martin

So if 24 people are getting along just fine and one person is causing problems, it's the system's fault? Not in my experience. In my view, there are too many factors involved to say that the bad apple is the direct result of the work environment. Certainly the system bears some responsibility, but the individual is ultimately responsible for his/her behavior. And seriously, can we ever "completely solve the problem" of flawed interpersonal relations in the workplace?

Jamie Notter

Great questions, Ben. My answers challenge their rhetorical nature, however. First, you’re right that it’s never ONLY the system’s fault. But it is always PARTLY the system’s fault, in my opinion. Or, more accurately, the problem person is an indication that the system needs attention. Too often organizations satisfy themselves with the “bad apple” diagnosis and ignore the system problems (to the long-term detriment of the organization). Sometimes that one out of twenty-five SHOULD be working somewhere else and perhaps they are not really taking responsibility for the impact of their behavior, but that doesn’t let the system off the hook.

Your point of the system bearing “some” responsibility while the individual is “ultimately” responsible for behavior to me reflects a common, individual-based perspective on how organizations work (and, ultimately, a mechanistic view of the universe). I hold a different view, and I end up over-stressing the system issues because I think they need more attention in organizations.

And can we ever “completely” solve the “problem” of interpersonal relations in the workplace? My answer is yes. It takes time and effort, so there is a cost/benefit analysis involved, but working through interpersonal relationship issues is not rocket science, so if we choose to do it, we can do it. Again, because of the costs we may choose to stop working on the issues short of “complete” resolution (I’m not sure bringing in a therapist to help me deal with my authority figure issues is going to produce enough productivity gains to justify the expense). But again, this does not let us off the hook (which is what happens too often in organizations). They know they can’t completely resolve the interpersonal dynamics, so they stick their head in the sand and pretend they are not there at all. I’m advocating against that approach, obviously.

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