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January 28, 2008

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Matt Baehr

Great post Jamie. I have thought about this in terms of job postings that ask for a writing sample. What kinds of samples would Gen Y folks send in? And are the people judging them looking for perfect English or readability?

Russ Capps

I have noticed, as one of the folks with access to the email box that collects resumés submitted for vacant positions, that it seems the quality of writing in the cover letters is not what it used to be. But, I might just be aging and my perception may be biased and not based on reality. I can say for a fact that generally, the more the position has to do with information and technology, the less good the writing, but that is to be expected of "computer geeks", I suppose.

Lindy Dreyer

Poor writing is not a generational difference. The weak points are the generational difference. Where younger generations tend to be too brief or informal, their mentors can sometimes obfuscate a message with too many words.

This is another case where we can learn and grow from one another.

Virgil Carter

I b fur gud informachun. U2? We b diff as 2 what s gud. Right'g not gen'l. Is jus import 2 be fuelly unders'd. XXOO.

Chris Hanson

Seth Godin's pendulum swung a tad too far on this one. He misses the mark with his all or nothing thinking (don’t’ agonizing over it, just let it rip). What’s needed is the middle ground: Solid writing skills that can be applied at will, clearly and simply, to communicate and persuade. His advice--if taken to heart--would generate even more long-winded, rambling, and semi-coherent communications.

Jamie Notter

Virgil: LOL!

Chris: Hmmm. Yes, I think Godin provokes with some either/or statements. I guess I've always taken those with a grain of salt. I was just thinking of some of my own writing. There are times where I labor over saying the right thing the right way, and in the end I regret it. I could have said it more clearly and directly. Sometimes complex writing qualifies as "quality," when simple writing would have been clearer, thus a better choice.

Ray van Hilst

Great post. My colleagues and I were just having this discussion as you were writing this. We had 2 thoughts which are worth sharing:

1) For associations/companies trying to capture younger members, perhaps they may want to embrace some more "millennial writing" in their content. This audience is turned off by long flowing paragraphs of why your association is great and the benefits of membership. Keep it short and sweet, then close the sale. We spend much of our time reviewing client work that is verbose and irrelevant. Perhaps we should all embrace a lighter writing style and keep the discussion authentic to the audiences we are trying to reach.

2) On a literary note, good writing tells a story and communicates well regardless of the punctuation and use of abbreviations. For example, ee cummings is just as wonderful to read without capital letters or punctuation.

Joe Raasch

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Have a great Tuesday!

Joe

Russ Alessi

This topic comes up quite a bit with non-profits because communication is the lifeblood of your success in introducing any initiative. I am not the greatest writer or wordsmith but I am smart enough to realize the importance of effective writing and finding people who do it well.
I believe "effective" is the key word. One size does not fit every audience. So style and grammer and even incorrect grammer are tools to get the job done. Being a "writing snob" does not always get the job done.

Diane VanBuskirk

I disagree that because the volume of written stuff has increased, that signals a need to write worse and make it "more real." Good writing makes a point better and makes a description MORE real and concrete. How is writing of poorer quality more "worth reading"? I think too often people confuse "good writing" with prose that is long and pretentious. And this is coming from a "millennial."

Virgil Carter

Thank you, Diane--that was the very point of my parody message above (which I am deeply disappointed that it didn't get more than a LOL from Jamie or anyone--where's the love?).

Words, in simple declarive sentences are the way we communicate, verbally and in writing. If successful communications are unimportant, then words and writing are unimportant. But for many, it is still important to clearly convey important information.

If your organization is a global one, as mine is with members and customers in over 120 countries, clear writing and communication is a challenge at another level of magnitude. For example, see http://engrish.com/

Lindy Dreyer

I loved your parody, Virgil. I should have said so. And engrish.com is OMG...2 funny.

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