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January 14, 2009

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David M. Patt, CAE

Or THEY, not the organization, should be flexible about ways to learn and share information.

They should know that asking questions in a group is NOT rude, unless you totally dominate the discussion (which, perhaps, they think they are doing). Learning in a group is valuable. IMing and other private conversations are extras, not the main event.

By the way, Jamie, you think of the darndest things.

David M. Patt, CAE

I should have realized that many people are shy or embarrassed about asking questions publicly and prefer private conversations.

However, I just can't believe that all of the people you mentioned feel that way all of the time.

Peggy Hoffman

Maybe its as much not wanting to have a public f2f conversation as thinking its rude? So maybe the answer isn't directly to accept IMing but to create the online space for conversation after the meeting?

In any case it just goes to show that we shouldn't take much at face value ... thanks for exploring the idea!

Kevin

So the way this person "learned to learn" is so sacrosanct that the manager would never think of explaining to them the value of asking questions in the group so said manager wouldn't have to waste valuable time and money "cutting and pasting"?

Please.

Jamie Notter

Kevin, we certainly don't have enough data from the story to know whether or not the cutting and pasting is more or less of a time than convening a meeting. Personally, I'm trusting the manager to know the difference (she's really smart, actually). And I can certainly imagine situations where cutting and pasting would be MUCH more efficient than convening a meeting and hoping that people ask the right questions. And she DID talk to them about the value of asking questions. But seriously, what if they still don't see the value. Why NOT be flexible and creative about it? Obviously you have performance to manage so if it's wasting time you need to do it differently, but I push back intentionally because (generally speaking) people tend to reject alternative ways of seeing the world out of hand...to our own detriment frequently.

Greg Fine, CAE

Great post Jamie and the comments are also very enlightening. It is clear that the challenge of effectively managing people is going to be more complex as time goes on.

I was at dinner recently and watched a group of people in the early 20's at another table engaged in a very thoughtful conversation while at the same time texting and using PDA's to gather additional informaiton. It was amazing and scary.

How many non Y'ers would looke at that and the first reaction would be "How rude!"

My reaction was wow..."how cool, a fully interactive conversation." It also scared me, because I realized we are totally unprepared to serve this demographic both as members and staff.

Is it too early for me to retire?

Thanks for sparking some great thought!

Karen E. Brennan

Hi everyone, I'm new here, but wanted to present another perspective.

Having recently graduated as an adult (your age Jamie), I am able to say that my Millennial classmates had no problem asking questions either during class or outside meetings. The professors did have online groups set up if there were questions, but it was rarely used.

I believe the two pronged approach would be best. Yes, they need to know why asking questions in a meeting is a good thing, but also having an online group to ask questions would bring a good balance as that supervisor's time is also important. If a question was asked, it only need be answered once, also providing a log to refer back to, great for documentation.

As Greg mentioned, I love the ability to have a "fully interactive conversation". I'm constantly multi-tasking or looking for more information to add to a discussion. My Millennial friends understand, but when I'm with my peers or older, I have to be conscious of it as some have wondered if I was "with them".

Going back to school was the best thing I could have ever done in the name of "generational diversity". I loved it!

Jamie Notter

Thanks for joining the conversation Karen! Good points. As always, I will point out that the behaviors of a few individuals NEVER represent an entire generation, just as the generalizations about generations cannot be pasted on to specific individuals. Let's not oversimplify here. Yes asking questions in groups is valuable. Yes finding ways to communicate online is valuable. Yes young people do both. Yes old folks (like me!) do both. Just pay attention to your assumptions and pay attention to how you have the conversations with the old/young folks about it.

David M. Patt, CAE

Hey, Greg. How do you know the folks were texting and using PDAs to gather additional information for their conversation? They may have been conversing with other people and not with any of the people with whom they were seated.

It's important to be aware of alternative social interactions and be flexibile enough to include them when necessary. But don't judge behavior to be positive just because other people are doing it. They may not be any more correct or flexible than you are.

Ellen

Wait a second. How many of us older folks have followed up after a meeting to send a question for reasons other than preferring to communicate via text?

For example:

They didn't want to appear stupid among our peers. Any trainer can give you a bunch of examples proving how prevalent this behavior is. It's not tied to generational communication patterns as much as it relates to corporate and career competitiveness. The business world (whether it be at for-profits or non-profits) is highly charged, especially in today's economy. Why risk sounding like you can't comprehend something you think others will "get" more quickly?

Asking questions in meetings isn't the norm. Some leaders -- despite thinking they create an environment of open conversation -- actually discourage questions. If this is the culture of the office, then they won't ask questions.

Just a few other things that might be going on....

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